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| Having a Wigan and Saints thread is probably needed. Loads of threads are going back to that us vs them debate but it’s not surprising. Love it or hate it, we have to measure ourselves against them because they’ve been the best side for the past few seasons and realistically it feels like it’s only them stopping us having an amazing chance to do a double or even treble. So if we sign a player, it results in conversations about how that player will help close the gap to Saints, we discuss a game and it turns it to looking at positives and negatives around details that will help or hinder us closing the gap to Saints, a disciplinary debate turns in right comparisons between our incidents and there’s and so on and on and on.
I enjoy it tbh, I think it shows we’ve closed the gap somewhat that Saints fans feel the need to jump in and comment on certain points but I get why it becomes tedious to others. The rivalry lost some of its magic IMO around 2004/5 until recently because there have been long spells where one side has been dominant over the other and for the game as a whole, that’s not good. It feels like the fixture is getting in to a place now where there will be huge anticipation before fixtures and that’s great. It makes those Derby days the occasion they should be. We’ve work to do to go in to one as the favourite or an evens chance but we’re getting there.
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| I said on Twitter that it almost feels like Utd of 95/96 when Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes left and the fans were in uproar. The Class of 92 came in and the rest is history. Of course I'm not suggesting for one minute the exact same thing will happen but the cub have either got some signings up their sleeve or they are putting their faith in the youth system. Owen Dagnall in particular is highly rated as a winger but I'm not sure how ready he will be next season.
This is the start of the transition where the 4 in a row team breaks up and although I've largely been disappointed in our recruitment of late I have to trust the club that they have processes in place to keep us competing.
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| I was under the impression Tom Davies was Hull KR bound but 3 or 4 different Saints fans have told me they have signed him. Good replacement for Makinson if true.
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| Quote: Stu M "I said on Twitter that it almost feels like Utd of 95/96 when Ince, Kanchelskis and Hughes left and the fans were in uproar. The Class of 92 came in and the rest is history. Of course I'm not suggesting for one minute the exact same thing will happen but the cub have either got some signings up their sleeve or they are putting their faith in the youth system. Owen Dagnall in particular is highly rated as a winger but I'm not sure how ready he will be next season.
This is the start of the transition where the 4 in a row team breaks up and although I've largely been disappointed in our recruitment of late I have to trust the club that they have processes in place to keep us competing.'"
It seems from the outside looking in that the future planning looks a bit piecemeal. You are right though there could be a cunning plan. From what I hear Tommy wasn’t offered a suitable deal hence the reason he has decided to leave, that could be due to a number of reasons: the club has already recruited; they feel they need to create an opportunity for an upcoming player; they needed to create salary cap space to make signings; they feel that Tommy is way past his sell by date; or they are financially strapped. It will be interesting to see what the outcome is in 2025.
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| Quote: bazdev "I was under the impression Tom Davies was Hull KR bound but 3 or 4 different Saints fans have told me they have signed him. Good replacement for Makinson if true.'"
I'd be happy with that. Someone on redvee is claiming Swift is coming back. I'd be happy with either but would be amazed if Huddersfield let him go after 1 year of what I think is a 3 year deal.
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| Quote: Zig "It seems from the outside looking in that the future planning looks a bit piecemeal. You are right though there could be a cunning plan. From what I hear Tommy wasn’t offered a suitable deal hence the reason he has decided to leave, that could be due to a number of reasons
He was definitely offered a new deal as McManus said he was disappointed he isn't going to finish his career at Saints. However as you say it may only be a one year deal or two years on heavily reduced terms.
This isn't sour grapes but we have had the best out of him. He's 32 now and lost some of his pace and is picking up injuries more regularly so from a business point of view I think its the right call. He would've been on a good wedge
Also if you look at Makinson now his profile is quite big for a RL player. He is a brand ambassador for Castore, him and his girlfriend are good friends with Georgina Stanway and the Lionesses and he works on a project with Tony Bellew - Knives Down, Gloves Up. He probably loves the idea of 2 years in the sunshine in the South of France and I don't blame him. He will be on a good wage there too.
Of course if the club go into next season with Bennison as his replacement then there will be serious questions asked.
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