Well I would guess that some people may swallow that, do you? Do you Wrencat?

TWP are demonstrating....

a. It's a fact nobody wants to play grass roots RL in Canada and only Union has a set up for a junior RU game there, plus TWP say they aren't even going to try to develop any players.

b. Not many pro-players want to play in Canada whether Toronto or Ottawa. What few did, have gone there in exchange for contracts worth a small fortune each.

c. Toronto's investment is to date many many $$$Millions spent and heavily in debt to the tune of many $$$Millions.

Carney is an astute guy bound to say only positive things about the game even though he knows there will be no Ottawa. However I may have missed Perez signing up players for their League one bid next year? Anyone seen anything?? I know a few have dreampt quite a lot of things.....

yay, another flat cap donnyman rant with the usual mention of TotalRL and debt which TWP don't actually have.

Bring it on IR80 set out for me the American dream. TWP there.....New York and Ottawa on their way........

Be the first to beat Martyn Sadler to explain how it will all work - he's had best part of 200 Editorials to explain it

Still waiting.......

Congratulations on getting the words WORK and NOBBY in the same sentence.
He works so hard for Toronto that he is able to spend so long with the BBC.
He is a favourite with the RFL that whenever they speak to 'wealthy' new club owners - he gets the gigs.
Moss and Roberts at Crusaders,Wrexham.But leaves when it seems they aren't spending any money.
Koukash at Salford - then,of course,Toronto.
His ability for player recruitment and development shown perfectly while at Salford.
He recruits Smith from Wakefield and Chase from Castleford.
He releases Sneyd and Fages - these 2 go on to Finals,and silverware at Hull FC and St Helens.
Smith and Chase succumb to alcohol and other drugs.
Toronto happened to sign lots of players from Leigh,as Rowley was head coach,and it was McDermott who met with and signed SBW.
Noble,while with his friends in mainstream media,talked about turning grid iron,and other athletes,into rugby league players.
It,and he,don't seem to have worked.

Oh dear - here comes the censor.....

Don't you think that since the winter of 2017 every day for over three years people have been proclaiming the American dream on here and on TRL, that's thousands and thousands of posts from dozens of people on two websites. The message was always the same BORING TWP are the future- we heard it what 10 times a day on both sites, making what? 10,000 BORING "[iTWP are the future"[/i posts with no supporting evidence.

Then we had two weekly RL papers totalling a couple of hundred editions that also repetetively told us the Americans will save the day. Yet somehow you don't like to hear the opposite opinion - It makes me think you may actually still believe all that nonsense.?

How many posts have Steph and Jean put up on here telling us the future for Rugby league lies anywhere but along the staid and boring backwater of the M62??. I didn't notice you telling them to give it a rest, so on that basis I do not accept for a minute you ever thought the American dream was flawed as you were happy to let others repeat it thousands of times.

I think it's always worth reminding people of the facts that it's all phoney, your not allowed to do that on TRL - bans all round. This is a free speech RL website where traditionalists aren't hounded down - well not until you started on me

The latest on Ottawa. Nothing concrete yet but better than nothing. https://twitter.com/9_Moley/status/1230 ... 26112?s=20 Re New York @51.26 https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0c ... g4M2NlYTM0 Apologies if this has already been posted.

The latest on Ottawa. Nothing concrete yet but better than nothing. https://twitter.com/9_Moley/status/1230 ... 26112?s=20 Re New York @51.26 https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0c ... g4M2NlYTM0 Apologies if this has already been posted.

This.
Without Catalans or Toronto on TV in their respective countries, then there will be no spreading of the game in either country.

But to whom - people already interested in RL in Australia, or people who have never heard of the game?
Also, will this exposure help to encourage people to play, watch on TV or turn up to a live game, that have never done so before?

I don't know cause I'm already a rl fan. But that is what extra exposure should bring, just not overnight imo.

According to Total RL your Jean Capdouze. On TRL your posting as Manfred Mann according to the posters there. On here you post the same shut down the Superleague and open the Transatlantic league message you post daily

Transatlantic West conference

Ottawa
New York
Toronto
Montreal
Hamilton
Boston
Vancouver
Philadephia

Transatlantic East Conference

Les Catalans
Avignon
Toulouse
Valencia
Belgrade
Copenhagen
Paris
London

Les Tonks Sidestep is pretty much clued up on the Superleague and RFL rules and he confirms what I said some time ago that the professional game in England is a membership organisation, and clubs not members like Toulouse, Toronto and Catalans are guests and compete by invitation only.

Thus all the stuff you post can never happen, and will never happen as the Superelague will withdraw the invites to Toronto and Catalans if they don't follow the rules as we go forward and the requirements include a player development foundation, an academy and Reserves. Currently TWP & CATS merely sign a marquee to curry favour in this direction and even that's backfired a bit. Your not an RL Fan.

Sorry your being duped here.

The TV exposure point is of course important, and of course here we get exposure on sports pay TV, plus we also get exposure on Terrestrial TV because we play out the Challenge cup and major internationals on that. TV exposure is so important that both TWP and Catalans/TO were specifically asked to chase TV deals.

TWP have admitted it needs 5-6 Superleague level American clubs for them to even be listened to by broadcasters, So this means that English clubs would have to make way for these clubs to play, not League one. That will never happen

TWP have admitted that they cant develop Pro-RL players anyway and very few from here will go play there unless you double their wages or pay them as Marquees. Perez is still pretending Ottawa, Hamilton and Montreal are on their way, but he tempers this now by saying they will develop their own players. That's fine - the only problem is there are no such players unless they sign players from the USARL who are amateurs but some good enough to play League One.

Perez piles absurdities on absurdities as the only reason TWP exist is a mad keen Australian NRL fan is a $$Billionaire and can throw eye watering anounts of money away at a dream. Perez talks about "consortiums" at the other clubs and doesn't identify who exactly is stupid enough in America to throw $$Millions at a foreign game.

The whole thing is absurd and has been since it's inception, but instead of being an "honest game" the RL press and the RFL can't stop pretending North American expansion is happening. At some point all this will collapse (probably the 2022 TV deal that will be English clubs only). Then we will need some damage limitation.

Superleague are hoping this will blow over by TWP being relegated ASAP. This they do them no favours. If there are investors in North America thinking they will take the project forward they will be looking carefully at how Superleague won't accommodate them. But I don't think they exist.

Derailed - again!