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Quote: Clearwing "True. And ideal or not, saints stand to win three in a row if they win the gf. I'd prefer that to remain the preserve of the really good teams so here's hoping they don't.'"


it's hard to look past Saints sadly though is it. only team i can see stopping them is Wigan this season and that hardly fills me with joy either.

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Some good points made. Personally I think the Hall thing is a storm in a teacup; I saw one or two criticisms but they were a small minority. Most sensible fans totally understand that 18 is very young to take the field in this sport, unless you are a genetic freak like Sam Burgess or Chev Walker.

There is a saying that unhelpful criticism aims to make yourself feel better; and helpful criticism makes the world better.

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Quote: KaeruJim "Some good points made. Personally I think the Hall thing is a storm in a teacup; I saw one or two criticisms but they were a small minority. Most sensible fans totally understand that 18 is very young to take the field in this sport, unless you are a genetic freak like Sam Burgess or Chev Walker.

There is a saying that unhelpful criticism aims to make yourself feel better; and helpful criticism makes the world better.'"

The critsicm of Hall on the game thread on here were OTT and short sighted.
Think the article had a point to be honest.

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Quote: exiledrhino "I've got to say, I think it's a strange idea that players shouldn't be criticized. Absolutely 100% on board it should not be personal, but if you're paid to do a job in a public arena, scrutiny by the public who pay your bills comes with the territory.

Ultimately, fans are being paid to be entertained. Being able to cheer and boo is all part of the pantomime of sport. In the interview on Out of Your League with James Childs, even he said he's not bothered with crowds booing him as long as it's not a personal attack. At least players will be praised if they do something good unlike a ref!

In RL, you are getting the chance to be paid to do the job you love. At it's heights you could be playing for your country or in a packed crowd of 80k at Old Trafford. At the opposite end you could get injured or simply not be good enough and get booed. Being a pro-sportsman is taking that risk on voluntarily. 80k cheering for an amazing performance, or fans booing if you're not up to it. The best players will back themselves and be able to channel out the crowd altogether.

It's a similar conversation when players were saying that relegation put their livelihoods at risk. I don't get it! If you're good enough, you'll get a new contract, if not, the sport doesn't owe you a living, put contingency plans in place accordingly! If I were no good at my job I'd lose it!'"


I think the main difference is that booing and cheering is expected. It will lift players and adds to the pantomime of sport. It's when it goes beyond that.

Most people have probably heard fans overstepping the mark and shouting personal insults when a player is within earshot. That's too far and is more prevalent on social media. Some people who wouldn't say it out loud think it's OK in text because they have the right for freedom of speech.

I personally don't think I have the right to criticise because I pay my money. My money is paid for the right to watch and that's it. I also don't think that because they're doing a job we'd all love to, they're there to be shot down.

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Quote: D4mo78 "I think the main difference is that booing and cheering is expected. It will lift players and adds to the pantomime of sport. It's when it goes beyond that.

Most people have probably heard fans overstepping the mark and shouting personal insults when a player is within earshot. That's too far and is more prevalent on social media. Some people who wouldn't say it out loud think it's OK in text because they have the right for freedom of speech.

I personally don't think I have the right to criticise because I pay my money. My money is paid for the right to watch and that's it. I also don't think that because they're doing a job we'd all love to, they're there to be shot down.'"


I completely agree, and that's why my post states that if it's personal it's not on!

This is actually just a part of a much larger conversation of the use of social media in society. Social media is not real life and is completely toxic. I personally don't use social media for that reason, and think the world would generally be better without it. The best thing for players would probably be not to use it or to have private accounts in my view, but at the end of the day it's their individual choice.

I still maintain that if I pay money to watch my team play, I get to boo them if I want (which I don't think I ever actually have). I certainly felt like booing a lot of times under McDermott, not for individual bad performances, but for the absolute boring, rubbish to watch style of rugby we generally played. It's part of being a fan!

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Analysis of team or player performance is part and parcel of sport. It's people discussing down the pub after the game etc.
Doing it on Facebook or here or wherever is the same in my opinion. It's a virtual representation of those face to face discussions.
Personal abuse is unnecessary and says more about the person commenting than the subject.
Tagging someone on social media so they see the abuse is nasty.

If I were a pro RL player I wouldn't have it, or would have a private account. Because even 1% of morons is still a significant number

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